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11. Investigation of Extremes of Before and After
 
  
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'''Chapter 11. Investigation of Extremes of Before and After'''
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'''''(Before)''''' - ([[snga phyi]]) - <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་ཕྱི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྔོན་མཐའ་མངོན་ནམ་ཞེས་ཞུས་ཚེ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།ཐུབ་པ་ཆེན་པོས་མིན་ཞེས་གསུངས།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།འཁོར་བ་ཐོག་མ་ཐ་མེད་དེ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ལ་སྔོན་མེད་ཕྱི་མ་མེད།།</span><br>
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1. [[sngon mtha']] [[mngon]] [[nam]] [[zhes]] [[zhus]] [[tshe]]/<br>
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[[thub pa chen po]]s [[min]] [[zhes]] [[gsungs]]/<br>
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[['khor ba]] [[thog ma]] [[tha]] [[med]] [[de]]/<br>
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[[de la]] [[sngon med]] [[phyi ma]] [[med]]//
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1. When asked, "is a before-extreme evident?" the great Muni said, "it is not." Samsara has no beginning, no end; it has no before, no after.
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1. /sngon mtha’ mngon nam zhes zhus tshe/ /thub pa chen pos min zhes gsungs/ /’khor ba thog ma tha med de/ /de la sngon med phyi ma med/
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<span class=TibUni18>།གང་ལ་ཐོག་མེད་ཐ་མེད་པར།</span><br>
  
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1. When asked, “is a before-extreme evident?” the great Muni said, “it is not.” Samsara has no beginning, no end; it has no before, no after.
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<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ལ་དབུས་ནི་ག་ལ་ཡོད།།</span><br>
  
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2. /gang la thog med tha med par/ /de la dbus ni ga la yod/ /de phyir de la snga phyi dang/ /lhan cig rim pa mi ‘thad do/
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<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ཕྱིར་དེ་ལ་སྔ་ཕྱི་དང།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྷན་ཅིག་རིམ་པ་མི་འཐད་དོ།།</span>
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2. [[gang la]] [[thog med]] [[tha]] [[med par]]/<br>
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[[de la]] [[dbus]] [[ni]] [[ga la yod]]/<br>
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[[de phyir]] [[de la]] [[snga phyi]] [[dang]]/<br>
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[[lhan cig]] [[rim pa]] [[mi 'thad]] [[do]]//
  
 
2. For that without beginning [and] end, where can a middle be in that? Therefore, it is not possible for it to have before, after, and simultaneous phases.
 
2. For that without beginning [and] end, where can a middle be in that? Therefore, it is not possible for it to have before, after, and simultaneous phases.
  
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3. /gal te skye ba snga gyur la/ /rga shi phyi ma yin na ni/ /skye ba rga shi med pa dang/ /ma shi bar yang skye bar ‘gyur/
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<span class=TibUni18>།གལ་ཏེ་སྐྱེ་བ་སྔ་གྱུར་ལ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།རྒ་ཤི་ཕྱི་མ་ཡིན་ན་ནི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྐྱེ་བ་རྒ་ཤི་མེད་པ་དང།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།མ་ཤི་བར་ཡང་སྐྱེ་བར་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
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3. [[gal te]] [[skye ba snga]] [[gyur la]]/<br>
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[[rga shi]] [[phyi ma]] [[yin na]] [[ni]]/<br>
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[[skye ba]] [[rga shi]] [[med pa]] [[dang]]/<br>
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[[ma shi ba]]r [[yang]] [[skye bar 'gyur]]//
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3. If birth were before and aging / death after, there would be birth without aging / death and also without dying one would be born.
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<span class=TibUni18>།ག་ཏེ་སྐྱེ་བ་ཕྱི་འགྱུར་ལ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།རྒ་ཤི་སྔ་བ་ཡིན་ན་ནི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྐྱེ་བ་མེད་པའི་རྒ་ཤི་ནི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།རྒྱུ་མེད་པར་ནི་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
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4. [[gal te]] [[skye ba]] [[phyi]] [['gyur]] [[la]]/<br>
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[[rga shi]] [[snga ba]]* [[yin na]] [[ni]]/<br>
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[[skye ba med pa]]'i [[rga shi]] [[ni]]/<br>
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[[rgyu med par]] [[ni]] [[ji ltar]] [['gyur]]//
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['''Lha.''' *ma]
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4. If birth were after and aging / death before, how could there be an uncaused aging / death which has no birth?
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྐྱེ་བ་དང་ནི་རྒ་ཤི་དག།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྷན་ཅིག་རུང་བ་མ་ཡིན་ཏེ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྐྱེ་བཞིན་པ་ནི་འཆི་འགྱུར་ཞིང།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།གཉིས་ཀ་རྒྱུ་མེད་ཅན་དུ་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
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5. [[skye ba]] [[dang]] [[ni]] [[rga shi]] [[dag]]/<br>
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[[lhan cig]] [[rung ba]] [[ma yin te]]/<br>
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[[skye bzhin pa]] [[ni]] [['chi]] [['gyur zhing]]/<br>
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[[gnyis ka]] [[rgyu med]] [[can du 'gyur]]//
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5. It is not suitable for birth and aging / death to be simultaneous; that which is being born would be dying and both would be without cause.
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<span class=TibUni18>།གང་ལ་སྔ་ཕྱི་ལྷན་ཅིག་གི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།རིམ་པ་དེ་དག་མི་སྲིད་པའི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྐྱེ་བ་དེ་དང་རྒ་ཤི་དེ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།ཅི་ཡི་ཕྱིར་ན་སྤྲོ་བར་བྱེད།།</span><br>
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6. [[gang la]] [[snga phyi]] [[lhan cig]] [[gi]]/<br>
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[[rim pa]] [[de dag]] [[mi srid pa]]'i/<br>
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[[skye ba]] [[de dang]] [[rga shi]] [[de]]/<br>
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[[ci yi phyir]] [[na]] [[spro bar byed]]*//
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['''Lha.''' *spros]
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6. Why fixate on that birth, that aging / dying, for which the phases of before, after, simultaneity are impossible?
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<span class=TibUni18>།འཁོར་བ་འབའ་ཞིག་སྔོན་གྱི་མཐའ།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།ཡོད་མ་ཡིན་པར་མ་ཟད་ཀྱི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།རྒྱུ་དང་འབྲས་བུ་ཉིད་དང་ནི།</span><br>
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<span class=TibUni18>།མཚན་ཉིད་དང་ནི་མཚན་གཞི་ཉིད།།</span><br>
  
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3. If birth were before and aging/death after, there would be birth without aging/death and also without dying one would be born.
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7. [['khor ba]] [['ba' zhig]] [[sngon gyi mtha']]/<br>
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[[yod ma yin]] [[par ma]] [[zad]] [[kyi]]/<br>
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[[rgyu dang 'bras bu]] [[nyid]] [[dang]] [[ni]]/<br>
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[[mtshan nyid]] [[dang]] [[ni]] [[mtshan gzhi]] [[nyid]]//
  
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4. /gal te skye ba ‘phyi ‘gyur la/ /rga shi snga ba* yin na ni/ /skye ba med pa’i rga shi ni/ /rgyu med par ni ji ltar ‘gyur/
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7. It is not just samsara alone that has no before-extreme, cause and fruit themselves, and
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characteristics and the basis for characteristics themselves,
  
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[*Lha ma]
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4. If birth were after and aging/death before, how could there be an uncaused aging/death which has no birth?
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<span class=TibUni18>།ཚོར་དང་ཚོར་པོ་ཉིད་དང་ནི།</span><br>
  
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5. /skye ba dang ni rga shi dag/ /lhan cig rung ba ma yin te/ /skye bzhin pa ni ‘chi ‘gyur zhing/ /gnyis ka rgyu med can du ‘gyur/
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<span class=TibUni18>།དོན་ཡོད་གང་དག་ཅི་ཡང་རུང།</span><br>
  
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5. It is not suitable for birth and aging/death to be simultaneous; that which is being born would be dying and both would be without cause.
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<span class=TibUni18>།དངོས་རྣམས་ཐམས་ཅད་ཉིད་ལ་ཡང།</span><br>
  
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6. /gang la snga phyi lhan cig gi/ /rim pa de dag mi srid pa’i/ /skye ba de dang rga shi de/ /ci yi phyir na spro* bar byed/
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྔོན་གྱི་མཐའ་ནི་ཡོད་མ་ཡིན།།</span><br>
  
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[Lha *spros]
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8. [[tshor]] [[dang]] [[tshor]] [[po]] [[nyid]] [[dang]] [[ni]]/<br>
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[[don yod]] [[gang dag]] [[ci yang rung]]/<br>
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[[dngos rnams]] [[thams cad nyid]] [[la yang]]/<br>
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[[sngon gyi mtha']] [[ni]] [[yod ma yin]]//
  
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6. Why fixate on that birth, that aging/dying, for which the phases of before, after, simultaneity are impossible?
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8. Feeling and the feeler, whatever is suitable to bear meaning, also all things have no before-extreme.
  
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7. /‘khor ba ‘ba’ zhig sngon gyi mtha’/ /yod ma yin par ma zad kyi/ /rgyu dang ‘bras bu nyid dang ni/ /mtshan nyid dang ni mtshan gzhi nyid/
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7. It is not just samsara alone that has no before-extreme, cause and fruit themselves, and characteristics and the basis for characteristics themselves,
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྔོན་དང་ཕྱི་མའི་མཐའ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་བཅུ་གཅིག་པའོ།།</span><br>
  
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8. /tshor dang tshor po nyid dang ni/ /don yod gang dag ci yang rung/ /dngos rnams thams cad nyid la yang/ /sngon gyi mtha’ ni yod ma yin/
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[[sngon]] [[dang]] [[phyi ma'i mtha']] [[brtag pa]] [[zhes bya ste]] [[rab tu byed pa]] [[bcu gcig pa]]'o//
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8. feeling and the feeler, whatever is suitable to bear meaning, also all things have no before-extreme.
 
  
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/sngon dang phyi ma’i mtha’ brtag pa zhes bya ste rab tu byed pa bcu gcig pa’o//
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Chapter 11. Investigation of Extremes of Before and After

(Before) - (snga phyi) - སྔ་ཕྱི།

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།སྔོན་མཐའ་མངོན་ནམ་ཞེས་ཞུས་ཚེ།

།ཐུབ་པ་ཆེན་པོས་མིན་ཞེས་གསུངས།

།འཁོར་བ་ཐོག་མ་ཐ་མེད་དེ།

།དེ་ལ་སྔོན་མེད་ཕྱི་མ་མེད།།

1. sngon mtha' mngon nam zhes zhus tshe/
thub pa chen pos min zhes gsungs/
'khor ba thog ma tha med de/
de la sngon med phyi ma med//

1. When asked, "is a before-extreme evident?" the great Muni said, "it is not." Samsara has no beginning, no end; it has no before, no after.

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།གང་ལ་ཐོག་མེད་ཐ་མེད་པར།

།དེ་ལ་དབུས་ནི་ག་ལ་ཡོད།།

།དེ་ཕྱིར་དེ་ལ་སྔ་ཕྱི་དང།

།ལྷན་ཅིག་རིམ་པ་མི་འཐད་དོ།།

2. gang la thog med tha med par/
de la dbus ni ga la yod/
de phyir de la snga phyi dang/
lhan cig rim pa mi 'thad do//

2. For that without beginning [and] end, where can a middle be in that? Therefore, it is not possible for it to have before, after, and simultaneous phases.

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།གལ་ཏེ་སྐྱེ་བ་སྔ་གྱུར་ལ།

།རྒ་ཤི་ཕྱི་མ་ཡིན་ན་ནི།

།སྐྱེ་བ་རྒ་ཤི་མེད་པ་དང།

།མ་ཤི་བར་ཡང་སྐྱེ་བར་འགྱུར།།

3. gal te skye ba snga gyur la/
rga shi phyi ma yin na ni/
skye ba rga shi med pa dang/
ma shi bar yang skye bar 'gyur//

3. If birth were before and aging / death after, there would be birth without aging / death and also without dying one would be born.

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།ག་ཏེ་སྐྱེ་བ་ཕྱི་འགྱུར་ལ།

།རྒ་ཤི་སྔ་བ་ཡིན་ན་ནི།

།སྐྱེ་བ་མེད་པའི་རྒ་ཤི་ནི།

།རྒྱུ་མེད་པར་ནི་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།།

4. gal te skye ba phyi 'gyur la/
rga shi snga ba* yin na ni/
skye ba med pa'i rga shi ni/
rgyu med par ni ji ltar 'gyur//

[Lha. *ma]

4. If birth were after and aging / death before, how could there be an uncaused aging / death which has no birth?

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།སྐྱེ་བ་དང་ནི་རྒ་ཤི་དག།

།ལྷན་ཅིག་རུང་བ་མ་ཡིན་ཏེ།

།སྐྱེ་བཞིན་པ་ནི་འཆི་འགྱུར་ཞིང།

།གཉིས་ཀ་རྒྱུ་མེད་ཅན་དུ་འགྱུར།།

5. skye ba dang ni rga shi dag/
lhan cig rung ba ma yin te/
skye bzhin pa ni 'chi 'gyur zhing/
gnyis ka rgyu med can du 'gyur//

5. It is not suitable for birth and aging / death to be simultaneous; that which is being born would be dying and both would be without cause.

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།གང་ལ་སྔ་ཕྱི་ལྷན་ཅིག་གི།

།རིམ་པ་དེ་དག་མི་སྲིད་པའི།

།སྐྱེ་བ་དེ་དང་རྒ་ཤི་དེ།

།ཅི་ཡི་ཕྱིར་ན་སྤྲོ་བར་བྱེད།།

6. gang la snga phyi lhan cig gi/
rim pa de dag mi srid pa'i/
skye ba de dang rga shi de/
ci yi phyir na spro bar byed*//

[Lha. *spros]

6. Why fixate on that birth, that aging / dying, for which the phases of before, after, simultaneity are impossible?

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།འཁོར་བ་འབའ་ཞིག་སྔོན་གྱི་མཐའ།

།ཡོད་མ་ཡིན་པར་མ་ཟད་ཀྱི།

།རྒྱུ་དང་འབྲས་བུ་ཉིད་དང་ནི།

།མཚན་ཉིད་དང་ནི་མཚན་གཞི་ཉིད།།

7. 'khor ba 'ba' zhig sngon gyi mtha'/
yod ma yin par ma zad kyi/
rgyu dang 'bras bu nyid dang ni/
mtshan nyid dang ni mtshan gzhi nyid//

7. It is not just samsara alone that has no before-extreme, cause and fruit themselves, and characteristics and the basis for characteristics themselves,

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།ཚོར་དང་ཚོར་པོ་ཉིད་དང་ནི།

།དོན་ཡོད་གང་དག་ཅི་ཡང་རུང།

།དངོས་རྣམས་ཐམས་ཅད་ཉིད་ལ་ཡང།

།སྔོན་གྱི་མཐའ་ནི་ཡོད་མ་ཡིན།།

8. tshor dang tshor po nyid dang ni/
don yod gang dag ci yang rung/
dngos rnams thams cad nyid la yang/
sngon gyi mtha' ni yod ma yin//

8. Feeling and the feeler, whatever is suitable to bear meaning, also all things have no before-extreme.

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།སྔོན་དང་ཕྱི་མའི་མཐའ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་བཅུ་གཅིག་པའོ།།

sngon dang phyi ma'i mtha' brtag pa zhes bya ste rab tu byed pa bcu gcig pa'o//

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