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Those who speak in accordance with interdependent knowable objects [[TBD]]

Those who describe knowable objects in a way that accords with interdependence [[TBD]]

== Discussion ==  

This phrase is used liberally in certain sections of the Eighth and Ninth Karmapas' commentaries on the Madhyamakavatara. It seems to refer to the Followers of the Middle Way ([[dbu ma pa]]) when speaking from others' perspective or to worldly people. Its opposite, [[shes bya rten 'brel dang mi mthun par smra ba]], seems to be used to refer to the lower philosophical systems of Buddhism--[[mdo sde pa]], [[bye brag smra ba]], and [[sems tsam pa]], along with the [[rang rgyud pa]] classification of [[dbu ma]]. [[TBD]]