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'''Chapter 6. Investigation of Desire and the Desirous One'''
 
'''''(Addiction)''''' - [[zhen pa]]
 
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<span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་འདོད་ཆགས་སྔ་རོལ་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>འདོད་ཆགས་མེད་པའི་ཆགས་ཡོད་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>དེ་ལ་བརྟེན་ནས་འདོད་ཆགས་ཡོད།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཆགས་ཡོད་འདོད་ཆགས་ཡོད་པར་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
 
1. [[gal te]] [['dod chags]] [[snga rol]] [[na]]/<br>
[['dod chags]] [[med pa]]'i [[chags yod]] [[na]]/<br>
[[de la brten nas]] [['dod chags]] [[yod]]/<br>
[[chags yod]] [['dod chags]] [[yod par 'gyur]]//<br>
 
1. If a desirous one without desire exists before desire, desire would exist dependent on that [desirous one]. [When] a desirous one exists, desire exists.
 
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<span class=TibUni18>ཆགས་པ་ཡོད་པར་འགྱུར་ནའང*།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>འདོད་ཆགས་ཡོད་པར་ག་ལ་འགྱུར།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཆགས་པ་ལ་ཡང་འདོད་ཆགས་ནི།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཡོད་དམ་མེད་ཀྱང་རིམ་པ་མཚུངས།།</span><br>
 
2. [[chags pa]] [[yod par 'gyur]] [[na]]'ang*/<br>
[['dod chags]] [[yod par]] [[ga la 'gyur]]/<br>
[[chags pa]] [[la yang]] [['dod chags]] [[ni]]/<br>
[[yod]] [[dam]] [[med]] [[kyang]] [[rim pa]] [[mtshungs]]//<br>
 
[*'''Ts.''' 146 [[chags pa]] [[yod par]] [[ma]] [['gyur]] [[na]] but acknowledges that ''[[Buddhapalita]]'' & ''Sherab Dronme'' follow the reading above. '''Ts.''' 147-9 has a lengthy discussion about the difference between the old and new translations of these verses.]
 
2. If there were no desirous one, how could there be desire? The same follows for the desirous one too: [it depends on] whether desire exists or not.
 
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<span class=TibUni18>འདོད་ཆགས་དང་ནི་ཆགས་པ་དག།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་ཉིད་དུ་སྐྱེ་མི་རིགས།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>འདི་ལྟར་འདོད་ཆགས་ཆགས་པ་དག།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཕན་ཚུན་ལྟོས་པ་མེད་པར་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
 
3. [['dod chags]] [[dang]] [[ni]] [[chags pa]] [[dag]]/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[nyid du]] [[skye]] [[mi rigs]]/<br>
[['di ltar]] [['dod chags]] [[chags pa]] [[dag]] /<br>
[[phan tshun ltos pa]] [[med par 'gyur]]//<br>
 
3. It is not reasonable for desire and the desirous one to arise as co-existent. In this way desire and the desirous one would not be mutually contingent.
 
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<span class=TibUni18>གཅིག་ཉིད་ལྷན་ཅིག་ཉིད་མེད་དེ།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>དེ་ཉིད་དེ་དང་ལྷན་ཅིག་མིན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཅི་སྟེ་ཐ་དད་ཉིད་ཡིན་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་ཉིད་དུ་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
 
4. [[gcig nyid]] [[lhan cig]] [[nyid]] [[med]] [[de]]/<br>
[[de nyid]] [[de dang]] [[lhan cig]] [[min]]/<br>
[[ci ste]] [[tha dad]] [[nyid]] [[yin na]]/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[nyid du]] [[ji ltar]] [['gyur]]//<br>
 
4. Identity has no co-existence: something cannot be co-existent with itself. If there were difference, how could there be co-existence?
 
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<span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་གཅིག་པུ་ལྷན་ཅིག་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>གརོགས་་མེད་པར་ཡང་དེར་འགྱུར་རོ།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་ཐ་དད་ལྷན་ཅིག་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>གྲོགས་མེད་པར་ཡང་དེར་འགྱུར་རོ</span><br>
 
5. [[gal te]] [[gcig pu]] [[lhan cig]] [[na]]/<br>
[[grogs med]] [[par]] [[yang]] [[der]] [['gyur ro]]/<br>
[[gal te]] [[tha dad]] [[lhan cig]] [[na]]/<br>
[[grogs med]] [[par]] [[yang]] [[der]] [['gyur ro]]//<br>
 
5. If the identical were co-existent, [co-existence] would also occur between the unrelated; if the different were co-existent, [co-existence] would also occur between the unrelated.
 
[[grogs med]] [[par]] is translated by '''K.''', [and '''G.''' (Gnoli)] as "without association". The Tibetan literally means "without assistance". [[grogs]] [[pa]] is the defining characteristic of [[rkyen]] (condition), i.e. it implies a functional relationship, usually causal; it is what helps something become what it is.]
 
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<span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་ཐ་དད་ལྷན་ཅིག་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཅི་གོ་འདོད་ཆགས་ཆགས་པ་དག།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཐ་དད་ཉིད་དུ་གྲུབ་འགྱུར་རམ།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>དེས་ན་དེ་གཉིས་ལྷན་ཅིག་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
 
6. [[gal te]] [[tha dad]] [[lhan cig]] [[na]]/<br>
[[ci go]] [['dod chags]] [[chags pa]] [[dag]]/<br>
[[tha dad]] [[nyid du]] [[grub]] [['gyur]] [[ram]]/<br>
[[des na]] [[de]] [[gnyis]] [[lhan cig]] [['gyur]]//<br>
 
6. If the different were co-existent, how would desire and the desirous one be established as different or, if that were so, [how would] those two be co-existent?
 
[this verse seems to say no more than v.7 below, but says it less neatly].
 
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<span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་འདོད་ཆགས་ཆགས་པ་དག།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཐ་དད་ཉིད་དུ་གྲུབ་གྱུར་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>དེ་དག་ལྷན་ཅིག་ཉིད་དུ་ནི།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཅི་ཡི་ཕྱིར་ན་ཡོངས་སུ་རྟོག།།</span><br>
 
7. [[gal te]] [['dod chags]] [[chags pa]] [[dag]]/<br>
[[tha dad]] [[nyid du]] [[grub]] [[gyur na]]/<br>
[[de dag]] [[lhan cig]] [[nyid du]] [[ni]]/<br>
[[ci yi phyir]] [[na]] [[yongs su]] [[rtog]]//<br>
 
7. If desire and the desirous were established as different, because of what could one understand them as co-existent?
 
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<span class=TibUni18>ཐ་དད་གྲུབ་པར་མ་གྱུར་པས།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>དེ་ཕྱིར་ལྷན་ཅིག་འདོད་བྱེད་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་རབ་ཏུ་གྲུབ་པའི་ཕྱིར།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཐ་དད་ཉིད་དུ་ཡང་འདོད་དམ།།</span><br>
 
8. [[tha dad]] [[grub pa]]r [[ma gyur pa]]s/<br>
[[de phyir]] [[lhan cig]] [['dod byed]] [[na]]/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[rab tu grub pa]]'i [[phyir]]/<br>
[[tha dad]] [[nyid du]] [[yang]] [['dod]] [[dam]]//<br>
 
8. If one asserts them to be co-existent because they are not established as different, then because they would be very much established as co-existent, would one not also have to assert them to be different?
 
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<span class=TibUni18>ཐ་དད་དངོས་པོ་མ་གྲུབ་པས།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་དངོས་པོ་འགྲུབ་མི་འགྱུར།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ཐ་དད་དངོས་པོ་གང་ཡོད་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་དངོས་པོར་འདོད་པར་བྱེད།།</span><br>
 
9. [[tha dad]] [[dngos po]] [[ma grub pa]]s/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[dngos po]] [['grub]] [[mi 'gyur]]/<br>
[[tha dad]] [[dngos po]] [[gang yod]] [[na]]/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[dngos por 'dod pa]]r [[byed]]//<br>
 
9. Since different things are not established, co-existent things are not established. If there existed any different things, one could assert them as co-existent things.
 
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<span class=TibUni18>དེ་ལྟར་འདོད་ཆགས་ཆགས་པ་དག།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་ལྷན་ཅིག་མིན་མི་འགྲུབ།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>འདོད་ཆགས་བཞིན་དུ་ཆོས་རྣམས་ཀུན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>ལྷན་ཅིག་ལྷན་ཅིག་མིན་མི་འགྲུབ།།</span><br>
 
10. [[de ltar]] [['dod chags]] [[chags pa]] [[dag]]/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[lhan cig]] [[min]] [[mi 'grub]]/<br>
[['dod chags]] [[bzhin du]] [[chos rnams kun]]/<br>
[[lhan cig]] [[lhan cig]] [[min]] [[mi 'grub]]//<br>
 
10. In that way, desire and the desirous one are not established as co-existent or not co-existent. Like desire, all phenomena are not established as co-existent or not co-existent.
 
['''Ts.''' 153 explains "all phenomena" to refer to hatred and the hater, stupidity and the confused one, and proceeds to reconstruct v.1 substituting "hatred" for "desire" etc.]
 
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<span class=TibUni18>འདོད་ཆགས་དང་ཆགས་པ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་བ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་དྲུག་པའོ།།</span>
 
[['dod chags]] [[dang]] [[chags pa]] [[brtag pa]] [[zhes bya ba]] [[ste]] [[rab tu byed pa]] [[drug pa]]'o //<br>
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