Talk:Naropa

Hi Kent,

as you might have noticed, I moved 'jigs med grags pa, who is noone else but "Phamtingpa" to Naropa's students. TBRC wrongly lists him as one of Naropa's teachers (already the dates given there make that obvious). He was one of his Newar disciples who lived in Pharping, near Kathmandu. He was one of the first masters whom Marpa met on his first trip south. Phamtingpa then strongly advised him to go to India and meet his own guru Naropa...

Best, TSD

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Interesting, as http://www.tbrc.org/cgi-bin/tbrcdatx?do=so&resource=P3085 shows 'jigs med grags pa as a teacher of Naropa. I'm not sure which of the two brothers (of the four) this actually is, myself... Maybe someone should also contact TBRC and ask them to correct their entry. Kent 03:53, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

..hmmm, I'll check his out with Gene and have him refer us to the folks in charge of their "history dept.". Will be interesting to see what they say... TSD

Re: Phamtingpa...

Hi Kent,

I sent an email to TBRC and got a rather lengthy reply from Gene himself. Apparently it is very difficult to ascertain which of them "Phamtingpas" is which. Tibetan sources are rather hazy about the matter (we're not surprised, are we?!). See my update to the 'jigs med grags pa entry. When back in Kathmandu (in late Oct.) I will check this with a good friend who is very knowledgable about Newar buddhist history...

TSD

Thanks, did you also check with him why 'jigs med grags pa was listed as one of the teachers of Naropa? --Kent 13:32, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

I also think the Red or Blue Annals has some more information about hte Phamtingkha brothers, especially about one of them who actually practiced as a yogi close to the Tibetan/Chinese brother later in life. According to tradition, the house where the Phamthingkha brothers practiced is still in Parping, btw... --Kent 13:33, 14 September 2006 (EDT)