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11. Investigation of Extremes of Before and After


(Before)
'''11. Investigation of Extremes of Before and After'''


1. /sngon mtha’ mngon nam zhes zhus tshe/ /thub pa chen pos min zhes gsungs/ /’khor ba thog ma tha med de/ /de la sngon med phyi ma med/
'''''(Before)'''''


1. When asked, “is a before-extreme evident?” the great Muni said, “it is not.” Samsara has no beginning, no end; it has no before, no after.


2. /gang la thog med tha med par/ /de la dbus ni ga la yod/ /de phyir de la snga phyi dang/ /lhan cig rim pa mi ‘thad do/
 
1. sngon mtha' mngon nam zhes zhus tshe/<br>
thub pa chen pos min zhes gsungs/<br>
'khor ba thog ma tha med de/<br>
de la sngon med phyi ma med/<br>
 
1. When asked, "is a before-extreme evident?" the great Muni said, "it is not." Samsara has no beginning, no end; it has no before, no after.
 
 
 
2. gang la thog med tha med par/<br>
de la dbus ni ga la yod/<br>
de phyir de la snga phyi dang/<br>
lhan cig rim pa mi 'thad do/<br>


2. For that without beginning [and] end, where can a middle be in that? Therefore, it is not possible for it to have before, after, and simultaneous phases.
2. For that without beginning [and] end, where can a middle be in that? Therefore, it is not possible for it to have before, after, and simultaneous phases.


3. /gal te skye ba snga gyur la/ /rga shi phyi ma yin na ni/ /skye ba rga shi med pa dang/ /ma shi bar yang skye bar ‘gyur/


3. If birth were before and aging/death after, there would be birth without aging/death and also without dying one would be born.


4. /gal te skye ba ‘phyi ‘gyur la/ /rga shi snga ba* yin na ni/ /skye ba med pa’i rga shi ni/ /rgyu med par ni ji ltar ‘gyur/
3. gal te skye ba snga gyur la/<br>
rga shi phyi ma yin na ni/<br>
skye ba rga shi med pa dang/<br>
ma shi bar yang skye bar 'gyur/<br>


[*Lha ma]
3. If birth were before and aging / death after, there would be birth without aging / death and also without dying one would be born.


4. If birth were after and aging/death before, how could there be an uncaused aging/death which has no birth?


5. /skye ba dang ni rga shi dag/ /lhan cig rung ba ma yin te/ /skye bzhin pa ni ‘chi ‘gyur zhing/ /gnyis ka rgyu med can du ‘gyur/


5. It is not suitable for birth and aging/death to be simultaneous; that which is being born would be dying and both would be without cause.
4. gal te skye ba 'phyi 'gyur la/<br>
rga shi snga ba* yin na ni/<br>
skye ba med pa'i rga shi ni/<br>
rgyu med par ni ji ltar 'gyur/<br>


6. /gang la snga phyi lhan cig gi/ /rim pa de dag mi srid pa’i/ /skye ba de dang rga shi de/ /ci yi phyir na spro* bar byed/
['''Lha.''' *ma]


[Lha *spros]
4. If birth were after and aging / death before, how could there be an uncaused aging / death which has no birth?


6. Why fixate on that birth, that aging/dying, for which the phases of before, after, simultaneity are impossible?


7. /‘khor ba ‘ba’ zhig sngon gyi mtha’/ /yod ma yin par ma zad kyi/ /rgyu dang ‘bras bu nyid dang ni/ /mtshan nyid dang ni mtshan gzhi nyid/
 
5. skye ba dang ni rga shi dag/<br>
lhan cig rung ba ma yin te/<br>
skye bzhin pa ni 'chi 'gyur zhing/<br>
gnyis ka rgyu med can du 'gyur/<br>
 
5. It is not suitable for birth and aging / death to be simultaneous; that which is being born would be dying and both would be without cause.
 
 
 
6. gang la snga phyi lhan cig gi/<br>
rim pa de dag mi srid pa'i/<br>
skye ba de dang rga shi de/<br>
ci yi phyir na spro* bar byed/<br>
 
['''Lha.''' *spros]
 
6. Why fixate on that birth, that aging / dying, for which the phases of before, after, simultaneity are impossible?
 
 
 
7. 'khor ba 'ba' zhig sngon gyi mtha'/<br>
yod ma yin par ma zad kyi/<br>
rgyu dang 'bras bu nyid dang ni/<br>
mtshan nyid dang ni mtshan gzhi nyid/<br>


7. It is not just samsara alone that has no before-extreme, cause and fruit themselves, and characteristics and the basis for characteristics themselves,  
7. It is not just samsara alone that has no before-extreme, cause and fruit themselves, and characteristics and the basis for characteristics themselves,  


8. /tshor dang tshor po nyid dang ni/ /don yod gang dag ci yang rung/ /dngos rnams thams cad nyid la yang/ /sngon gyi mtha’ ni yod ma yin/
 
 
8. tshor dang tshor po nyid dang ni/<br>
don yod gang dag ci yang rung/<br>
dngos rnams thams cad nyid la yang/<br>
sngon gyi mtha' ni yod ma yin/<br>


8. feeling and the feeler, whatever is suitable to bear meaning, also all things have no before-extreme.
8. feeling and the feeler, whatever is suitable to bear meaning, also all things have no before-extreme.


/sngon dang phyi ma’i mtha’ brtag pa zhes bya ste rab tu byed pa bcu gcig pa’o//
sngon dang phyi ma'i mtha' brtag pa zhes bya ste rab tu byed pa bcu gcig pa'o//<br>

Revision as of 12:11, 11 October 2009

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11. Investigation of Extremes of Before and After

(Before)


1. sngon mtha' mngon nam zhes zhus tshe/
thub pa chen pos min zhes gsungs/
'khor ba thog ma tha med de/
de la sngon med phyi ma med/

1. When asked, "is a before-extreme evident?" the great Muni said, "it is not." Samsara has no beginning, no end; it has no before, no after.


2. gang la thog med tha med par/
de la dbus ni ga la yod/
de phyir de la snga phyi dang/
lhan cig rim pa mi 'thad do/

2. For that without beginning [and] end, where can a middle be in that? Therefore, it is not possible for it to have before, after, and simultaneous phases.


3. gal te skye ba snga gyur la/
rga shi phyi ma yin na ni/
skye ba rga shi med pa dang/
ma shi bar yang skye bar 'gyur/

3. If birth were before and aging / death after, there would be birth without aging / death and also without dying one would be born.


4. gal te skye ba 'phyi 'gyur la/
rga shi snga ba* yin na ni/
skye ba med pa'i rga shi ni/
rgyu med par ni ji ltar 'gyur/

[Lha. *ma]

4. If birth were after and aging / death before, how could there be an uncaused aging / death which has no birth?


5. skye ba dang ni rga shi dag/
lhan cig rung ba ma yin te/
skye bzhin pa ni 'chi 'gyur zhing/
gnyis ka rgyu med can du 'gyur/

5. It is not suitable for birth and aging / death to be simultaneous; that which is being born would be dying and both would be without cause.


6. gang la snga phyi lhan cig gi/
rim pa de dag mi srid pa'i/
skye ba de dang rga shi de/
ci yi phyir na spro* bar byed/

[Lha. *spros]

6. Why fixate on that birth, that aging / dying, for which the phases of before, after, simultaneity are impossible?


7. 'khor ba 'ba' zhig sngon gyi mtha'/
yod ma yin par ma zad kyi/
rgyu dang 'bras bu nyid dang ni/
mtshan nyid dang ni mtshan gzhi nyid/

7. It is not just samsara alone that has no before-extreme, cause and fruit themselves, and characteristics and the basis for characteristics themselves,


8. tshor dang tshor po nyid dang ni/
don yod gang dag ci yang rung/
dngos rnams thams cad nyid la yang/
sngon gyi mtha' ni yod ma yin/

8. feeling and the feeler, whatever is suitable to bear meaning, also all things have no before-extreme.

sngon dang phyi ma'i mtha' brtag pa zhes bya ste rab tu byed pa bcu gcig pa'o//