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conceptionless gods [RY]
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see also [['du shes yod min med min]] [RY]


perceptionless/conceptionless gods [as a great fruition of dwelling in the 4th dhyana, they exist with unified mind. As soon as that arises except for the time of death, the motion of mind and mental contents ceases and stays so for a period up to many kalpas.] [IW]
1 of snyoms par 'jug pa dgu [JV]


perceptionless/ conceptionless gods [IW]
Neither Conception nor Non-Conception. [[User:DKC|DKC]]
 
== Discussion ==
 
The fourth and highest of the Four Formless realms, also called the Peak of Existence. Its name comes from the training: a being who has achieved the level of Nothingness enters the preparation for Neither Conception nor Non-Conception. This being considers course conceptions disturbing, but the state of utter non-conception to be inferior. Thus they enter a state where there is no coarse conception, but it is not non-conception because there is still subtle conception.
 
Although this is frequently translated as "neither perception nor non-perception," see the discussion of the word [['du shes]] for the reasons why it is better to say conception than perception. [[User:DKC|DKC]]


the perceptionless gods [RY]


gods who are absorbed in a state of mental blankness; [[lha tshe ring po]] [[zhes pa]] [[ni]] [['du shes med pa'i lha]] [[ste]] [[dge sdig]] [[gang gi yang]] [['du shes med pa'i bsam gtan]] [[la tha]]r [[par]] [[bzung nas]] [[bsgoms pas]] [['du shes med pa'i lha]]r [[skyes]] [[ting nge 'dzin]] [[de'i]] [[ngang du]] [[bskal chen]] [[mang po]]'i [[bar du]] [[gnas nas]] [['phen byed kyi las zad]] [[pa na]] [[log lta'i rgyus ngan song du skye ba]]s [[chos byed]] [[du]] [[mi khoms pa]] [[yin]] the long-lived gods are those gods who are absorbed in a state of mental blankness. beings are born in this realm as a result of believing that liberation is a state in which all mental activities, good or bad, are absent, and of meditating upon that state. They remain in such states of concentration for great kalpas on end. But once the effect of the past actions that produced that condition has exhausted itself they are reborn in the lower realms because of their wrong views. They, too, lack any opportunity to practise the Dharma [RY]


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see also 'du shes yod min med min [RY]

1 of snyoms par 'jug pa dgu [JV]

Neither Conception nor Non-Conception. DKC

Discussion

The fourth and highest of the Four Formless realms, also called the Peak of Existence. Its name comes from the training: a being who has achieved the level of Nothingness enters the preparation for Neither Conception nor Non-Conception. This being considers course conceptions disturbing, but the state of utter non-conception to be inferior. Thus they enter a state where there is no coarse conception, but it is not non-conception because there is still subtle conception.

Although this is frequently translated as "neither perception nor non-perception," see the discussion of the word 'du shes for the reasons why it is better to say conception than perception. DKC

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