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'''9. Investigation of the Presence of Something Prior'''


'''''(Already)'''''
'''Chapter 9. Investigation of the Presence of Something Prior'''


'''''(Already)''''' - ([[nyid du]])


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1. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br>
tshor sogs dang yang dbang byas pa /<br>
gang gi yin pa de dag gi /<br>
snga rol de yod kha cig smra /<br>


1. Some say that whatever is involved in seeing, hearing etc. and feeling etc. exists prior to them.
<span class=TibUni18>།ཚོར་སོགས་དང་ཡང་དབང་བྱས་པ།</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་དེ་དག་གི།</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ཡོད་ཁ་ཅིག་སྨྲ།།</span><br>


2. dngos po yod pa ma yin na /<br>
1. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br>
lta ba la sogs ji ltar 'gyur /<br>
[[tshor]] [[sogs]] [[dang]] [[yang]] [[dbang byas pa]]/<br>
de phyir de dag snga rol na /<br>
[[gang gi]] [[yin pa]] [[de dag gi]]/<br>
dngos po gnas pa de yod do /<br>
[[snga rol]] [[de]] [[yod]] [[kha cig]] [[smra]]//
 
1. Some say that whatever is involved in seeing, hearing, and feeling etc. exists prior to them.
 
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<span class=TibUni18>།དངོས་པོ་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ཕྱིར་དེ་དག་སྔ་རོལ་ན།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།དངོས་པོ་གནས་པ་དེ་ཡོད་དོ།།</span><br>
 
2. [[dngos po yod pa]] [[ma yin na]]/<br>
[[lta ba]] [[la sogs]] [[ji ltar]] [['gyur]]/<br>
[[de phyir]] [[de dag]] [[snga rol]] [[na]]/<br>
[[dngos po]] [[gnas pa]] [[de]] [[yod]] [[do]]//


2. If [that] thing is not evident, how can there be seeing etc? Therefore, the presence [of that] thing [must] exist before them.
2. If [that] thing is not evident, how can there be seeing etc? Therefore, the presence [of that] thing [must] exist before them.


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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ཚོར་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཉིད་ཀྱི་ནི།</span><br>
<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་དངོས་པོ་གང་གནས་པ།</span><br>
<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ནི་གང་གིས་གདགས་པར་བྱ།།</span><br>
3. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br>
[[tshor ba]] [[la sogs]] [[nyid kyi]] [[ni]]/<br>
[[snga rol]] [[dngos po]] [[gang gnas pa]]/<br>
[[de ni]] [[gang gis]] [[gdags par bya]]//
3. What configures / makes known that thing which is present before seeing, hearing, and feeling, etc.?
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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་མེད་པར་ཡང།</span><br>
<span class=TibUni18>།གལ་ཏེ་དེ་ནི་གནས་གྱུར་ན།</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་མེད་པར་ཡང་དེ་དག་ནི།</span><br>


3. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ཡོད་པར་འགྱུར་བར་ཐེ་ཚོམ་མེད།</span><br>
tshor ba la sogs nyid kyi ni /<br>
snga rol dngos po gang gnas pa /<br>
de ni gang gis gdags par bya /<br>


3. What configures / makes known that thing which is present before seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc.?
4. [[lta ba]] [[la sogs]] [[med par]] [[yang]]/<br>
[[gal te]] [[de ni]] [[gnas gyur]] [[na]]/<br>
[[de med par]] [[yang]] [[de dag ni/<br>
[[yod par 'gyur ba]]r [[the tshom med]]//


4. If it were present even without seeing, etc., there would be no doubt that they would exist even without it.


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4. lta ba la sogs med par yang /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ཅི་ཡིས་གང་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།</span><br>
gal te de ni gnas gyur na /<br>
de med par yang de dag ni /<br>
yod par 'gyur bar the tshom med /<br>


4. If it were present even without seeing etc., there would be no doubt that they would exist even without it.
<span class=TibUni18>།གང་གིས་ཅི་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།ཅི་མེད་གང་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།གང་མེད་ཅི་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།།</span><br>


5. ci yis gang zhig gsal bar byed /<br>
5. [[ci yis]] [[gang zhig]] [[gsal bar byed]]/<br>
gang gis ci zhig gsal bar byed /<br>
[[gang gis]] [[ci zhig]] [[gsal bar byed]]/<br>
ci med gang zhig ga la yod /<br>
[[ci]] [[med]] [[gang zhig]] [[ga la yod]]/<br>
gang med ci zhig ga la yod /<br>
[[gang med]] [[ci zhig]] [[ga la yod]]//


5. It is illuminated by them; they are illuminated by it. How could it exist without them? How could they exist without it?
5. It is illuminated by them; they are illuminated by it. How could it exist without them? How could they exist without it?


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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།</span><br>


6. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་གང་ཞིག་ཡོད་པ་མིན།</span><br>
snga rol gang zhig yod pa min /<br>
 
lta sogs nang nas gzhan zhig gis /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་སོགས་ནང་ནས་གཞན་ཞིག་གིས།</span><br>
gzhan gyi tshe na gsal bar byed /<br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།གཞན་གྱི་ཚེ་ན་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།།</span><br>
 
6. [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[thams cad]] [[kyi]]/<br>
[[snga rol]] [[gang zhig]] [[yod pa]] [[min]]/<br>
[[lta]] [[sogs]] [[nang nas]] [[gzhan zhig]] [[gis]]/<br>
[[gzhan]] [[gyi]] [[tshe na]] [[gsal bar byed]]//


6. It is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc. From among seeing etc. a different one illuminates [it] at different times.
6. It is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc. From among seeing etc. a different one illuminates [it] at different times.


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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།</span><br>


7. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་གལ་ཏེ་ཡོད་མིན་ན།</span><br>
snga rol gal te yod min na /<br>
 
lta la sogs pa re re yi /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་རེ་རེ་ཡི།</span><br>
snga rol de ni ji ltar yod /<br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ནི་ཇི་ལྟར་ཡོད།།</span><br>
 
7. [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[thams cad]] [[kyi]]/<br>
[[snga rol]] [[gal te]] [[yod min]] [[na]]/<br>
[[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[re re]] [[yi]]/<br>
[[snga rol]] [[de ni]] [[ji ltar]] [[yod]]//


7. If it is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc., how can it be evident prior to [each of them] seeing etc. individually?
7. If it is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc., how can it be evident prior to [each of them] seeing etc. individually?


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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་པོ་དེ་ཉིད་ཉན་པོ་དེ།</span><br>
<span class=TibUni18>།གལ་ཏེ་ཚོར་པོའང་དེ་ཉིད་ན།</span><br>
<span class=TibUni18>།རེ་རེའི་སྔ་རོལ་ཡོད་གྱུར་ན།</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ནི་དེ་ལྟར་མི་རིགས་སོ།།</span><br>


8. lta po de nyid nyan po de /<br>
8. [[lta]] [[po]] [[de nyid]] [[nyan po]] [[de]]/<br>
gal te tshor po'ang de nyid na /<br>
[[gal te]] [[tshor]] [[po]]'ang [[de nyid]] [[na]]/<br>
re re'i snga rol yod gyur na /<br>
[[re re'i]] [[snga rol]] [[yod]] [[gyur na]]/<br>
de ni de ltar mi rigs so /<br>
[[de ni]] [[de ltar]] [[mi rigs]] [[so]]//


8. If the seer itself [were] the hearer and the feeler [were] it too, if it existed prior to each, in that way it would not make sense.
8. If the seer itself [were] the hearer and the feeler [were] it too, if it existed prior to each, in that way it would not make sense.


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<span class=TibUni18>།གལ་ཏེ་ལྟ་པོ་གཞན་ཉིད་ལ།</span><br>


<span class=TibUni18>།ཉན་པ་པོ་གཞན་ཚོར་གཞན་ན།</span><br>


9. gal te lta po gzhan nyid la /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་པོ་ཡོད་ཚེ་ཉན་པོར་འགྱུར།</span><br>
nyan pa po gzhan tshor gzhan na /<br>
lta po yod tshe nyan por* 'gyur /<br>
bdag kyang mang po nyid du 'gyur /<br>


[*'''Ts.''' po; '''Lha.''' por]
<span class=TibUni18>།བདག་ཀྱང་མང་པོ་ཉིད་དུ་འགྱུར།</span><br>
 
9. [[gal te]] [[lta]] [[po]] [[gzhan nyid]] [[la]]/<br>
[[nyan pa po]] [[gzhan]] [[tshor]] [[gzhan na]]/<br>
[[lta]] [[po]] [[yod]] [[tshe]] [[nyan]] [[por]]* [['gyur]]/<br>
[[bdag]] [[kyang]] [[mang po nyid]] [[du]] [['gyur]]//
 
['''Ts.''' po*; '''Lha.''' por*]


9. If the seer were different, the hearer different, the feeler different, at the time the seer exists, there would be a hearer. Many selves would come about.
9. If the seer were different, the hearer different, the feeler different, at the time the seer exists, there would be a hearer. Many selves would come about.


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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br>


10. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br>
tshor ba dag la sogs pa dang* /<br>
gang las 'gyur ba'i 'byung de la'ang /<br>
de ni yod pa ma yin no /<br>


[*'''Ts.''' & '''Lha.''' yang]
<span class=TibUni18>།གང་ལས་འགྱུར་བའི་འབྱུང་དེ་ལའང།</span><br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ནི་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ནོ།།</span><br>
 
10. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br>
[[tshor ba]] [[dag]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]*/<br>
[[gang las]] [['gyur ba]]'i [['byung]] [[de la'ang]]/<br>
[[de ni]] [[yod pa ma yin]] [[no]]//
 
['''Ts.''' & '''Lha.''' yang*]


10. Also it is not evident in the elements from which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. occur.  
10. Also it is not evident in the elements from which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. occur.  


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<span class=TibUni18>།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br>


11. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡང།</span><br>
tshor ba dag la sogs pa yang /<br>
 
gang gi yin pa gal te med /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་གལ་ཏེ་མེད།</span><br>
de dag kyang ni yod ma yin /<br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་དག་ཀྱང་ནི་ཡོད་མ་ཡིན།།</span><br>
 
11. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br>
[[tshor ba]] [[dag]] [[la sogs pa]] [[yang]]/<br>
[[gang gi]] [[yin pa]] [[gal te]] [[med]]/<br>
[[de dag]] [[kyang]] [[ni]] [[yod ma yin]]//


11. If that to which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. belong is not evident, they too could not be evident.
11. If that to which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. belong is not evident, they too could not be evident.


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<span class=TibUni18>།གང་ཞིག་ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡི།</span><br>


12. gang zhig lta la sogs pa yi /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་ད་ལྟ་ཕྱི་ན་མེད།</span><br>
snga rol da lta phyi na med /<br>
 
de la yod do med do zhes /<br>
<span class=TibUni18>།དེ་ལ་ཡོད་དོ་མེད་དོ་ཞེས།</span><br>
rtog pa dag ni ldog par 'gyur /<br>
 
<span class=TibUni18>།རྟོག་པ་དག་ནི་ལྡོག་པར་འགྱུར།།</span><br>
 
12. [[gang zhig]] [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[yi]]/<br>
[[snga rol]] [[da lta]] [[phyi na]] [[med]]/<br>
[[de la]] [[yod]] [[do med]] [[do]] [[zhes]]/<br>
[[rtog pa]] [[dag]] [[ni]] [[ldog par]] [['gyur]]//


12. Reject the concepts "it exists," "it doesn't exist" about that which is not evident prior to, now or after seeing etc.
12. Reject the concepts "it exists," "it doesn't exist" about that which is not evident prior to, now or after seeing etc.
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<span class=TibUni18>།སྔ་རོལ་ན་གནས་པ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་བ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་དགུ་པའོ།།</span><br>
[[snga rol]] [[na]] [[gnas pa]] [[brtag pa]] [[zhes bya ba]] [[ste]] [[rab tu byed pa]] [[dgu pa]]'o//
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snga rol na gnas pa brtag pa zhes bya ba ste rab tu byed pa dgu pa'o //<br>
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Chapter 9. Investigation of the Presence of Something Prior

(Already) - (nyid du)

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།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།

།ཚོར་སོགས་དང་ཡང་དབང་བྱས་པ།

།གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་དེ་དག་གི།

།སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ཡོད་ཁ་ཅིག་སྨྲ།།

1. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor sogs dang yang dbang byas pa/
gang gi yin pa de dag gi/
snga rol de yod kha cig smra//

1. Some say that whatever is involved in seeing, hearing, and feeling etc. exists prior to them.

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།དངོས་པོ་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ན།

།ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།

།དེ་ཕྱིར་དེ་དག་སྔ་རོལ་ན།

།དངོས་པོ་གནས་པ་དེ་ཡོད་དོ།།

2. dngos po yod pa ma yin na/
lta ba la sogs ji ltar 'gyur/
de phyir de dag snga rol na/
dngos po gnas pa de yod do//

2. If [that] thing is not evident, how can there be seeing etc? Therefore, the presence [of that] thing [must] exist before them.

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།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།

།ཚོར་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཉིད་ཀྱི་ནི།

།སྔ་རོལ་དངོས་པོ་གང་གནས་པ།

།དེ་ནི་གང་གིས་གདགས་པར་བྱ།།

3. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor ba la sogs nyid kyi ni/
snga rol dngos po gang gnas pa/
de ni gang gis gdags par bya//

3. What configures / makes known that thing which is present before seeing, hearing, and feeling, etc.?

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།ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་མེད་པར་ཡང།

།གལ་ཏེ་དེ་ནི་གནས་གྱུར་ན།

།དེ་མེད་པར་ཡང་དེ་དག་ནི།

།ཡོད་པར་འགྱུར་བར་ཐེ་ཚོམ་མེད།

4. lta ba la sogs med par yang/
gal te de ni gnas gyur na/
de med par yang [[de dag ni/
yod par 'gyur bar the tshom med//

4. If it were present even without seeing, etc., there would be no doubt that they would exist even without it.

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།ཅི་ཡིས་གང་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།

།གང་གིས་ཅི་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད

།ཅི་མེད་གང་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།

།གང་མེད་ཅི་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།།

5. ci yis gang zhig gsal bar byed/
gang gis ci zhig gsal bar byed/
ci med gang zhig ga la yod/
gang med ci zhig ga la yod//

5. It is illuminated by them; they are illuminated by it. How could it exist without them? How could they exist without it?

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།ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།

།སྔ་རོལ་གང་ཞིག་ཡོད་པ་མིན།

།ལྟ་སོགས་ནང་ནས་གཞན་ཞིག་གིས།

།གཞན་གྱི་ཚེ་ན་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།།

6. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi/
snga rol gang zhig yod pa min/
lta sogs nang nas gzhan zhig gis/
gzhan gyi tshe na gsal bar byed//

6. It is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc. From among seeing etc. a different one illuminates [it] at different times.

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།ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།

།སྔ་རོལ་གལ་ཏེ་ཡོད་མིན་ན།

།ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་རེ་རེ་ཡི།

།སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ནི་ཇི་ལྟར་ཡོད།།

7. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi/
snga rol gal te yod min na/
lta la sogs pa re re yi/
snga rol de ni ji ltar yod//

7. If it is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc., how can it be evident prior to [each of them] seeing etc. individually?

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།ལྟ་པོ་དེ་ཉིད་ཉན་པོ་དེ།

།གལ་ཏེ་ཚོར་པོའང་དེ་ཉིད་ན།

།རེ་རེའི་སྔ་རོལ་ཡོད་གྱུར་ན།

།དེ་ནི་དེ་ལྟར་མི་རིགས་སོ།།

8. lta po de nyid nyan po de/
gal te tshor po'ang de nyid na/
re re'i snga rol yod gyur na/
de ni de ltar mi rigs so//

8. If the seer itself [were] the hearer and the feeler [were] it too, if it existed prior to each, in that way it would not make sense.

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།གལ་ཏེ་ལྟ་པོ་གཞན་ཉིད་ལ།

།ཉན་པ་པོ་གཞན་ཚོར་གཞན་ན།

།ལྟ་པོ་ཡོད་ཚེ་ཉན་པོར་འགྱུར།

།བདག་ཀྱང་མང་པོ་ཉིད་དུ་འགྱུར།

9. gal te lta po gzhan nyid la/
nyan pa po gzhan tshor gzhan na/
lta po yod tshe nyan por* 'gyur/
bdag kyang mang po nyid du 'gyur//

[Ts. po*; Lha. por*]

9. If the seer were different, the hearer different, the feeler different, at the time the seer exists, there would be a hearer. Many selves would come about.

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།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།

།ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།

།གང་ལས་འགྱུར་བའི་འབྱུང་དེ་ལའང།

།དེ་ནི་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ནོ།།

10. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor ba dag la sogs pa dang*/
gang las 'gyur ba'i 'byung de la'ang/
de ni yod pa ma yin no//

[Ts. & Lha. yang*]

10. Also it is not evident in the elements from which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. occur.

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།ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།

།ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡང།

།གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་གལ་ཏེ་མེད།

།དེ་དག་ཀྱང་ནི་ཡོད་མ་ཡིན།།

11. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor ba dag la sogs pa yang/
gang gi yin pa gal te med/
de dag kyang ni yod ma yin//

11. If that to which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. belong is not evident, they too could not be evident.

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།གང་ཞིག་ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡི།

།སྔ་རོལ་ད་ལྟ་ཕྱི་ན་མེད།

།དེ་ལ་ཡོད་དོ་མེད་དོ་ཞེས།

།རྟོག་པ་དག་ནི་ལྡོག་པར་འགྱུར།།

12. gang zhig lta la sogs pa yi/
snga rol da lta phyi na med/
de la yod do med do zhes/
rtog pa dag ni ldog par 'gyur//

12. Reject the concepts "it exists," "it doesn't exist" about that which is not evident prior to, now or after seeing etc. _________________________________

།སྔ་རོལ་ན་གནས་པ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་བ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་དགུ་པའོ།།

snga rol na gnas pa brtag pa zhes bya ba ste rab tu byed pa dgu pa'o//

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