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| + | '''''(Already)''''' - ([[nyid du]]) | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
| − | + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br> | |
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| − | + | <span class=TibUni18>ཚོར་སོགས་དང་ཡང་དབང་བྱས་པ།</span><br> | |
| + | <span class=TibUni18>གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་དེ་དག་གི།</span><br> | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ཡོད་ཁ་ཅིག་སྨྲ།།</span><br> | ||
| − | 2. dngos po yod pa ma yin na /<br> | + | 1. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br> |
| − | lta ba la sogs ji ltar 'gyur /<br> | + | [[tshor]] [[sogs]] [[dang]] [[yang]] [[dbang byas pa]]/<br> |
| − | de phyir de dag snga rol na /<br> | + | [[gang gi]] [[yin pa]] [[de dag gi]]/<br> |
| − | dngos po gnas pa de yod do / | + | [[snga rol]] [[de]] [[yod]] [[kha cig]] [[smra]]// |
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| + | 1. Some say that whatever is involved in seeing, hearing, and feeling etc. exists prior to them. | ||
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| + | _________________________________ | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>དངོས་པོ་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ན།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་ཕྱིར་དེ་དག་སྔ་རོལ་ན།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>དངོས་པོ་གནས་པ་དེ་ཡོད་དོ།།</span><br> | ||
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| + | 2. [[dngos po yod pa]] [[ma yin na]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[lta ba]] [[la sogs]] [[ji ltar]] [['gyur]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[de phyir]] [[de dag]] [[snga rol]] [[na]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[dngos po]] [[gnas pa]] [[de]] [[yod]] [[do]]// | ||
2. If [that] thing is not evident, how can there be seeing etc? Therefore, the presence [of that] thing [must] exist before them. | 2. If [that] thing is not evident, how can there be seeing etc? Therefore, the presence [of that] thing [must] exist before them. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br> | ||
| − | + | <span class=TibUni18>ཚོར་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཉིད་ཀྱི་ནི།</span><br> | |
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| − | + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་དངོས་པོ་གང་གནས་པ།</span><br> | |
| + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་ནི་གང་གིས་གདགས་པར་བྱ།།</span><br> | ||
| + | 3. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[tshor ba]] [[la sogs]] [[nyid kyi]] [[ni]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[snga rol]] [[dngos po]] [[gang gnas pa]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[de ni]] [[gang gis]] [[gdags par bya]]// | ||
| − | + | 3. What configures / makes known that thing which is present before seeing, hearing, and feeling, etc.? | |
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| − | + | _________________________________ | |
| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་མེད་པར་ཡང།</span><br> | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་དེ་ནི་གནས་གྱུར་ན།</span><br> | ||
| − | 5. ci yis gang zhig gsal bar byed /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་མེད་པར་ཡང་དེ་དག་ནི།</span><br> |
| − | gang gis ci zhig gsal bar byed /<br> | + | |
| − | ci med gang zhig ga la yod /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>ཡོད་པར་འགྱུར་བར་ཐེ་ཚོམ་མེད།</span><br> |
| − | gang med ci zhig ga la yod / | + | |
| + | 4. [[lta ba]] [[la sogs]] [[med par]] [[yang]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[gal te]] [[de ni]] [[gnas gyur]] [[na]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[de med par]] [[yang]] [[de dag ni/<br> | ||
| + | [[yod par 'gyur ba]]r [[the tshom med]]// | ||
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| + | 4. If it were present even without seeing, etc., there would be no doubt that they would exist even without it. | ||
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| + | _________________________________ | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ཅི་ཡིས་གང་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>གང་གིས་ཅི་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ཅི་མེད་གང་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>གང་མེད་ཅི་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།།</span><br> | ||
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| + | 5. [[ci yis]] [[gang zhig]] [[gsal bar byed]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[gang gis]] [[ci zhig]] [[gsal bar byed]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[ci]] [[med]] [[gang zhig]] [[ga la yod]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[gang med]] [[ci zhig]] [[ga la yod]]// | ||
5. It is illuminated by them; they are illuminated by it. How could it exist without them? How could they exist without it? | 5. It is illuminated by them; they are illuminated by it. How could it exist without them? How could they exist without it? | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་གང་ཞིག་ཡོད་པ་མིན།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་སོགས་ནང་ནས་གཞན་ཞིག་གིས།</span><br> | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>གཞན་གྱི་ཚེ་ན་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།།</span><br> | ||
| − | 6. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi /<br> | + | 6. [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[thams cad]] [[kyi]]/<br> |
| − | snga rol gang zhig yod pa min /<br> | + | [[snga rol]] [[gang zhig]] [[yod pa]] [[min]]/<br> |
| − | lta sogs nang nas gzhan zhig gis /<br> | + | [[lta]] [[sogs]] [[nang nas]] [[gzhan zhig]] [[gis]]/<br> |
| − | gzhan gyi tshe na gsal bar byed / | + | [[gzhan]] [[gyi]] [[tshe na]] [[gsal bar byed]]// |
6. It is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc. From among seeing etc. a different one illuminates [it] at different times. | 6. It is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc. From among seeing etc. a different one illuminates [it] at different times. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།</span><br> | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་གལ་ཏེ་ཡོད་མིན་ན།</span><br> | ||
| − | 7. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་རེ་རེ་ཡི།</span><br> |
| − | snga rol gal te yod min na /<br> | + | |
| − | lta la sogs pa re re yi /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ནི་ཇི་ལྟར་ཡོད།།</span><br> |
| − | snga rol de ni ji ltar yod / | + | |
| + | 7. [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[thams cad]] [[kyi]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[snga rol]] [[gal te]] [[yod min]] [[na]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[re re]] [[yi]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[snga rol]] [[de ni]] [[ji ltar]] [[yod]]// | ||
7. If it is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc., how can it be evident prior to [each of them] seeing etc. individually? | 7. If it is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc., how can it be evident prior to [each of them] seeing etc. individually? | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་པོ་དེ་ཉིད་ཉན་པོ་དེ།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་ཚོར་པོའང་དེ་ཉིད་ན།</span><br> | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>རེ་རེའི་སྔ་རོལ་ཡོད་གྱུར་ན།</span><br> | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་ནི་དེ་ལྟར་མི་རིགས་སོ།།</span><br> | ||
| − | 8. lta po de nyid nyan po de /<br> | + | 8. [[lta]] [[po]] [[de nyid]] [[nyan po]] [[de]]/<br> |
| − | gal te tshor po'ang de nyid na /<br> | + | [[gal te]] [[tshor]] [[po]]'ang [[de nyid]] [[na]]/<br> |
| − | re re'i snga rol yod gyur na /<br> | + | [[re re'i]] [[snga rol]] [[yod]] [[gyur na]]/<br> |
| − | de ni de ltar mi rigs so / | + | [[de ni]] [[de ltar]] [[mi rigs]] [[so]]// |
8. If the seer itself [were] the hearer and the feeler [were] it too, if it existed prior to each, in that way it would not make sense. | 8. If the seer itself [were] the hearer and the feeler [were] it too, if it existed prior to each, in that way it would not make sense. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>གལ་ཏེ་ལྟ་པོ་གཞན་ཉིད་ལ།</span><br> | ||
| − | + | <span class=TibUni18>ཉན་པ་པོ་གཞན་ཚོར་གཞན་ན།</span><br> | |
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| − | [*'''Ts.''' po; '''Lha.''' por] | + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་པོ་ཡོད་ཚེ་ཉན་པོར་འགྱུར།</span><br> |
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>བདག་ཀྱང་མང་པོ་ཉིད་དུ་འགྱུར།</span><br> | ||
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| + | 9. [[gal te]] [[lta]] [[po]] [[gzhan nyid]] [[la]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[nyan pa po]] [[gzhan]] [[tshor]] [[gzhan na]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[lta]] [[po]] [[yod]] [[tshe]] [[nyan]] [[por]]* [['gyur]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[bdag]] [[kyang]] [[mang po nyid]] [[du]] [['gyur]]// | ||
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| + | ['''Ts.''' po*; '''Lha.''' por*] | ||
9. If the seer were different, the hearer different, the feeler different, at the time the seer exists, there would be a hearer. Many selves would come about. | 9. If the seer were different, the hearer different, the feeler different, at the time the seer exists, there would be a hearer. Many selves would come about. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br> | ||
| − | + | <span class=TibUni18>ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br> | |
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| − | [*'''Ts.''' & '''Lha.''' yang] | + | <span class=TibUni18>གང་ལས་འགྱུར་བའི་འབྱུང་དེ་ལའང།</span><br> |
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་ནི་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ནོ།།</span><br> | ||
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| + | 10. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[tshor ba]] [[dag]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]*/<br> | ||
| + | [[gang las]] [['gyur ba]]'i [['byung]] [[de la'ang]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[de ni]] [[yod pa ma yin]] [[no]]// | ||
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| + | ['''Ts.''' & '''Lha.''' yang*] | ||
10. Also it is not evident in the elements from which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. occur. | 10. Also it is not evident in the elements from which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. occur. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།</span><br> | ||
| − | 11. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡང།</span><br> |
| − | tshor ba dag la sogs pa yang /<br> | + | |
| − | gang gi yin pa gal te med /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་གལ་ཏེ་མེད།</span><br> |
| − | de dag kyang ni yod ma yin / | + | |
| + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་དག་ཀྱང་ནི་ཡོད་མ་ཡིན།།</span><br> | ||
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| + | 11. [[lta]] [[dang]] [[nyan]] [[la sogs pa]] [[dang]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[tshor ba]] [[dag]] [[la sogs pa]] [[yang]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[gang gi]] [[yin pa]] [[gal te]] [[med]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[de dag]] [[kyang]] [[ni]] [[yod ma yin]]// | ||
11. If that to which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. belong is not evident, they too could not be evident. | 11. If that to which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. belong is not evident, they too could not be evident. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
| + | <span class=TibUni18>གང་ཞིག་ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡི།</span><br> | ||
| − | 12. gang zhig lta la sogs pa yi /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་ད་ལྟ་ཕྱི་ན་མེད།</span><br> |
| − | snga rol da lta phyi na med /<br> | + | |
| − | de la yod do med do zhes /<br> | + | <span class=TibUni18>དེ་ལ་ཡོད་དོ་མེད་དོ་ཞེས།</span><br> |
| − | rtog pa dag ni ldog par 'gyur / | + | |
| + | <span class=TibUni18>རྟོག་པ་དག་ནི་ལྡོག་པར་འགྱུར།།</span><br> | ||
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| + | 12. [[gang zhig]] [[lta la]] [[sogs pa]] [[yi]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[snga rol]] [[da lta]] [[phyi na]] [[med]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[de la]] [[yod]] [[do med]] [[do]] [[zhes]]/<br> | ||
| + | [[rtog pa]] [[dag]] [[ni]] [[ldog par]] [['gyur]]// | ||
12. Reject the concepts "it exists," "it doesn't exist" about that which is not evident prior to, now or after seeing etc. | 12. Reject the concepts "it exists," "it doesn't exist" about that which is not evident prior to, now or after seeing etc. | ||
| + | _________________________________ | ||
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| + | <span class=TibUni18>སྔ་རོལ་ན་གནས་པ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་བ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་དགུ་པའོ།།</span><br> | ||
| − | snga rol na gnas pa brtag pa zhes bya ba ste rab tu byed pa dgu pa'o // | + | [[snga rol]] [[na]] [[gnas pa]] [[brtag pa]] [[zhes bya ba]] [[ste]] [[rab tu byed pa]] [[dgu pa]]'o// |
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Chapter 9. Investigation of the Presence of Something Prior
(Already) - (nyid du)
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ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།
ཚོར་སོགས་དང་ཡང་དབང་བྱས་པ།
གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་དེ་དག་གི།
སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ཡོད་ཁ་ཅིག་སྨྲ།།
1. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor sogs dang yang dbang byas pa/
gang gi yin pa de dag gi/
snga rol de yod kha cig smra//
1. Some say that whatever is involved in seeing, hearing, and feeling etc. exists prior to them.
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དངོས་པོ་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ན།
ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཇི་ལྟར་འགྱུར།
དེ་ཕྱིར་དེ་དག་སྔ་རོལ་ན།
དངོས་པོ་གནས་པ་དེ་ཡོད་དོ།།
2. dngos po yod pa ma yin na/
lta ba la sogs ji ltar 'gyur/
de phyir de dag snga rol na/
dngos po gnas pa de yod do//
2. If [that] thing is not evident, how can there be seeing etc? Therefore, the presence [of that] thing [must] exist before them.
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ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།
ཚོར་བ་ལ་སོགས་ཉིད་ཀྱི་ནི།
སྔ་རོལ་དངོས་པོ་གང་གནས་པ།
དེ་ནི་གང་གིས་གདགས་པར་བྱ།།
3. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor ba la sogs nyid kyi ni/
snga rol dngos po gang gnas pa/
de ni gang gis gdags par bya//
3. What configures / makes known that thing which is present before seeing, hearing, and feeling, etc.?
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ལྟ་བ་ལ་སོགས་མེད་པར་ཡང།
གལ་ཏེ་དེ་ནི་གནས་གྱུར་ན།
དེ་མེད་པར་ཡང་དེ་དག་ནི།
ཡོད་པར་འགྱུར་བར་ཐེ་ཚོམ་མེད།
4. lta ba la sogs med par yang/
gal te de ni gnas gyur na/
de med par yang [[de dag ni/
yod par 'gyur bar the tshom med//
4. If it were present even without seeing, etc., there would be no doubt that they would exist even without it.
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ཅི་ཡིས་གང་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།
གང་གིས་ཅི་ཞིག་གསལ་བར་བྱེད
ཅི་མེད་གང་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།
གང་མེད་ཅི་ཞིག་ག་ལ་ཡོད།།
5. ci yis gang zhig gsal bar byed/
gang gis ci zhig gsal bar byed/
ci med gang zhig ga la yod/
gang med ci zhig ga la yod//
5. It is illuminated by them; they are illuminated by it. How could it exist without them? How could they exist without it?
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ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།
སྔ་རོལ་གང་ཞིག་ཡོད་པ་མིན།
ལྟ་སོགས་ནང་ནས་གཞན་ཞིག་གིས།
གཞན་གྱི་ཚེ་ན་གསལ་བར་བྱེད།།
6. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi/
snga rol gang zhig yod pa min/
lta sogs nang nas gzhan zhig gis/
gzhan gyi tshe na gsal bar byed//
6. It is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc. From among seeing etc. a different one illuminates [it] at different times.
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ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི།
སྔ་རོལ་གལ་ཏེ་ཡོད་མིན་ན།
ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་རེ་རེ་ཡི།
སྔ་རོལ་དེ་ནི་ཇི་ལྟར་ཡོད།།
7. lta la sogs pa thams cad kyi/
snga rol gal te yod min na/
lta la sogs pa re re yi/
snga rol de ni ji ltar yod//
7. If it is not evident prior to the totality of seeing etc., how can it be evident prior to [each of them] seeing etc. individually?
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ལྟ་པོ་དེ་ཉིད་ཉན་པོ་དེ།
གལ་ཏེ་ཚོར་པོའང་དེ་ཉིད་ན།
རེ་རེའི་སྔ་རོལ་ཡོད་གྱུར་ན།
དེ་ནི་དེ་ལྟར་མི་རིགས་སོ།།
8. lta po de nyid nyan po de/
gal te tshor po'ang de nyid na/
re re'i snga rol yod gyur na/
de ni de ltar mi rigs so//
8. If the seer itself [were] the hearer and the feeler [were] it too, if it existed prior to each, in that way it would not make sense.
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གལ་ཏེ་ལྟ་པོ་གཞན་ཉིད་ལ།
ཉན་པ་པོ་གཞན་ཚོར་གཞན་ན།
ལྟ་པོ་ཡོད་ཚེ་ཉན་པོར་འགྱུར།
བདག་ཀྱང་མང་པོ་ཉིད་དུ་འགྱུར།
9. gal te lta po gzhan nyid la/
nyan pa po gzhan tshor gzhan na/
lta po yod tshe nyan por* 'gyur/
bdag kyang mang po nyid du 'gyur//
[Ts. po*; Lha. por*]
9. If the seer were different, the hearer different, the feeler different, at the time the seer exists, there would be a hearer. Many selves would come about.
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ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།
ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།
གང་ལས་འགྱུར་བའི་འབྱུང་དེ་ལའང།
དེ་ནི་ཡོད་པ་མ་ཡིན་ནོ།།
10. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor ba dag la sogs pa dang*/
gang las 'gyur ba'i 'byung de la'ang/
de ni yod pa ma yin no//
[Ts. & Lha. yang*]
10. Also it is not evident in the elements from which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. occur.
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ལྟ་དང་ཉན་ལ་སོགས་པ་དང།
ཚོར་བ་དག་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡང།
གང་གི་ཡིན་པ་གལ་ཏེ་མེད།
དེ་དག་ཀྱང་ནི་ཡོད་མ་ཡིན།།
11. lta dang nyan la sogs pa dang/
tshor ba dag la sogs pa yang/
gang gi yin pa gal te med/
de dag kyang ni yod ma yin//
11. If that to which seeing and hearing etc. and feeling etc. belong is not evident, they too could not be evident.
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གང་ཞིག་ལྟ་ལ་སོགས་པ་ཡི།
སྔ་རོལ་ད་ལྟ་ཕྱི་ན་མེད།
དེ་ལ་ཡོད་དོ་མེད་དོ་ཞེས།
རྟོག་པ་དག་ནི་ལྡོག་པར་འགྱུར།།
12. gang zhig lta la sogs pa yi/
snga rol da lta phyi na med/
de la yod do med do zhes/
rtog pa dag ni ldog par 'gyur//
12. Reject the concepts "it exists," "it doesn't exist" about that which is not evident prior to, now or after seeing etc. _________________________________
སྔ་རོལ་ན་གནས་པ་བརྟག་པ་ཞེས་བྱ་བ་སྟེ་རབ་ཏུ་བྱེད་པ་དགུ་པའོ།།
snga rol na gnas pa brtag pa zhes bya ba ste rab tu byed pa dgu pa'o//